Really digging that OP!

Oh wow, they actual held an inquisition/“witch trial” over this incident…

Miorine’s dad is a real piece of work. Can’t wait to see him get taken down a notch, although I’m about 90% certain it’s going to be revealed later that he actually cares about his daughter and had to put on an uncompromising and stern facade in order to protect her future or something along those lines.

I wish he remains an assh*le as he is. I'm already sick of "tsundere dad" cliche.

Same, I hate the controlling parent or asshole parent who's actually "doing this for the child's own good" or some shit.

ye I miss code geass where the dad is just actually an evil supervillain

I think he's actually like that he just knows what's best

Idk why they keep calling her witch is it because she uses a Gundam is Gundam illegal like what why

i really like how they argue about what's a gundam, i mean by now i have no idea what it is, they changed description every season xD

Edit: Wow didn't think this would start such a big discussion, thanks for all explanations. i really appreciate it.

I can tell you what a Gundam is not.
"a mobile suit"

Edit: The joke went over the head of some of you guys so I will rephrase it so even smooth brains could understand.

"I am a gundam, you are a mobile suit. We are not the same."

Ariele a gundam class mobile suit that 99% of the time will never lose to a mass produced Dilanza class mobile suit.

You could have just started by clarifying that you were making a joke. Instead you doubled down, hard, on being wrong. Makes your edit here come across as potentially disingenuous.

great we can both have differing opinions on what a mobile suit is. However, I am not going to call a gundam a mobile suit. Have a nice day. I will triple down this statement.

"It's just a joke."
"Could've started by saying that."
"I'm not going to call a Gundam a mobile suit."

Thanks for the confirmation of it being disingenuous! Have a good one!

You're all wrong and there's no argument to be had. The answer as to what a Gundam is has already been established long ago. As Setsuna F. Seiei proclaimed, "I am Gundam".

i thought a gundam what any mobile suit made with gundanium alloy

It is, but only in specific universes. In 00 it was the suits that had the fancy engines. In this, there's a more dangerous version of the Alaya-Vijnana system called GUND. If it uses that system, and specifically the GUND-ARM version, then it's a Gundam.

got it ty, i forgot about the diff universes

If you are talking about gundam in general, then you are just wrong. If you are talking about the gund arm used specifically to coin the technology in this show, then yes, it's not a mobile suit

Gundams started out as prototype mobile suits. You usually will never see two of the same Gundams as gundams are prototypes that never make it to mass production as by then another gundam that is even better is made using a) stolen technology or b) improved version.

Unlike the typical mass-produced mobile suits that were designed to be all similar in specs, most gundams will vary greatly. As by the time they enter combat someone will have designed an even better one. You can think of gundams as basically an arms race but for highly specialized mobile suits.

Generally, mobile suits are trash and are just used to equip quantity over quality pilots during a war as they are easy to replace. Hence why most of the time Gundams are piloted by Aces. In rare circumstances a mobile suit may defeat a gundam via tactics because being a gundam does not make it indestructible. But the odds of that are low as gundams are by definition always going to remain prototypes that never enter massive production. So thats why the only way to defeat a gundam is to bring another gundam. I stand by my opinion that

"Mobile suits are mass produced knock offs that pale in comparison to compete with Gundams. In every Gundam series you watch gundams have unique characteristics that come with them unlike mobile suits" Some may be faster some may have more shields and armor and some with more fire power and some with special abilities.

A Gundam can usually turn the tide of the war with special abilities. Over the course of multiple gundam universes some GUNDAMS are advanced and require specific pilots in order to function, in some cases only specific people can pilot gundams, like New types spacenoids activating the system within the Gundams.

In conclusion, I stand by the fact that mass produced mobile suits are trash. No wonder it got pooped on by a high spec Gundam, no I am not going to call it a mobile suit. Because there is a huge difference.

dude, you are seriously being a pain, A GM is a knock off of the RX-78-2, but they are both MS. I am really telling you the truth here... a gundam doesn't have turn the tide of the war miracle ability, what you are describing is a mobile suit with psycho frames. And the system you are confusing it with is the NT-D system in unicorn gundam, which either can be installed in non gundam types. Please, I am sorry for being a little aggressive at first, but a gundam is a MS. You have believe me ( or you know, open any wiki page of any gundam).

THE GUNDAM WIKI

Gundam (Mobile Suit)
A Gundam is an advanced, high performance mobile suit, often constructed to be much more powerful than the standard production mobile suits.

They are generally equipped with the latest experimental technology available at the time of their construction.

The definition of a Gundam varies from one timeline to another. In most series it is used as an acronym to refer to something, however in all but the most recent series these acronyms were derived after the fact and do not appear at any point in the animated works. The protagonist's mobile suit of a series usually carries the name Gundam.

Literally the first paragraph son, it's a prototype that beats out all the mass produced mobile suits.

Imagine not understanding what I meant. "A Gundam is not a mobile suit" . Is basically me making fun of the meme "We are not the same".

"I can tell you what a Gundam is not, a mobile suit"

When I responded to the guy's post I was implying that they're not in the same league. S+ rank vs C? D? Rank

bruh you weren't supposed to take it literally. You must be fun at parties my guy.

Everyone knows a Porsche and Honda are both cars. Obviously if we compare the two the Porsche is superior in every aspect to the Honda. Gundams are in fact superior to mobile suits as mobile suits are the commonly mass produced for lack of a descriptive word "mech"

I have seen Gundam Origin, Gundam seed, 00, Iron blood Orpheus, Gundam g reconquista, Gundam unicorn, Gundam thunderbolt, Gundam 08 Ms Team, and more so I would like to believe my knowledge on gundams are above "average"

Why are you mad? In fact why are you so salty?

If you want to be technical, originally Gundams were what Zeons referred Earth Federation's mobile suit as. Because the Earth Federation version engineered Gundams to directly compete with Zeon mobile suits during the start of the 1 year war. And even then, Gundams were limited, specialized and few. it wasn't like every Earth federation mobile suit was a Gundam. You only thought this because Everytime the Zeon guys saw one, it was the rare time they see an actual Gundam.

Later on in Gundam series they branch out to Zeons/Zaft competing to steal Earth Federation Gundam tech so at that point gundams were no longer limited in distinction to Earth federation mobile suits vs Zeon mobile suits. As the Zeon empire could now build their own "gundams" tech stolen from Earth federation research colonies.

These days it's basically used to provide a distinction in the protagonists piloting high spec prototype machines.

I love how you two are doing exactly what the anime did

So to summarize this, I say, " I Gundam is a Gundam cuz I said so"

Very funny that you moved the goalposts after two people pointed out that you were wrong, and a third didn't get your poor attempt at memeing.

Thanks for checking my sanity, I literally thought I was going insane for not understand some obvious joke that a gundam is not a mobile suit or something... Turns out they are just being an as*

Just because it's a prototype doesn't mean it isn't a mobile suit. After all "literally in the first paragraph" that you quoted, it calls it a mobile suit. An advanced high performance mobile suit.

Thats like saying a honda is the same as a porsche they are not the same my guy. They may be mobile suits but they are completely different. Thats like saying an F15 is a F35. Everyone knows the SR Black bird was a secret prototype plane that could outrun missiles during its time in service. The joke went over your head.

Interesting that you changed this, too, from saying I should stop making it literal to me missing the joke. While that's entirely possible... maybe it just wasn't as good a joke as you thought.

Or - even less charitably - you're back-pedaling after doubling down on being wrong. After all, why not just... admit it was a joke, when the first person didn't get it?

Yeah, because a Honda and Porsche are both cars. F15, F35, and SR Blackbird are all military jets. You're confusing Make/Model for base identification. As for literal, well... you're the one who tried do that first. Maybe stop trying to say something that isn't true and people would stop disagreeing with you. *shrug*

What part of the context of the conversation gave off a you making fun of "We are not the same" meme? You are a dumb asf for thinking people wouldn't take you literally when you said " a GUNDAM is NOT a mobile suit" in a comment section full of people that are new to the series.

edit: And if you still think a gundam is a MS, well, you can feel all special all you want. HOWEVER, it doesn't change the FACT that it's a faking MS that's stated multiple times in different series. I am sorry that we care more about facts than your opinions, but that's just how it is and you can't tell others that it's a fact that a gundam is not a mobile suit.

Dude, please read some things on the wiki, i know following all the gundam series is too long, but it's better than you spreading false information. But if you would like, i can give you a rough idea of what a "gundam" is, even though the idea has been long lost through.

no... the very first gundam is RX-78-2 and the reason it's special is because it's known as the white devil- the first mobile suit developed by the federation.... Gundams ARE mobile suits, but they tend to be ace pilot mobile suit. There's a REASON 90 percent of gundam series are called MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM (insert series name)

well RX-78-2 was the first on screen. But technically not the first gundam, since it's the 2nd in the RX-78 series.

I think of Gundam in terms of new tech and near superhuman pilot. Not sure which universe this was introduced in.
I think of the Gundam as ridiculous tech that normal human beings cannot handle. It's the same with fighter pilots. You have to be able to pull crazy Gs. If you can't, you aren't a fighter pilot, you are just a normie pilot.
I like this, because it brings up a salient point: we use anti-human technology to control other human beings. However, what happens to that pilot in the middle, who is assigned to use and abuse that anti-human technology? It's a great premise.
Gundams are just ridiculous tech that normal human beings cannot fully use.

The prologue episode for this series helps clarify the definition for this series specifically. It's under a different listing on here, for some reason. Basically, there's a kind of tech that this series uses that's like a more harmful version of the system that Mikazuki and his team used in IBO call "GUND Arms" (I think; it's something close to that). If it uses that, it's a Gundam in this universe.

Most Gundam antagonists who fit Delling's personality often get shot by a subordinate who thinks they are going too far. I hope he doesnt die like that, Elnora has the right to off his ass.

Well he was almost blown up in the first episode had Sutella not won the duel in time

Then again, most character like Delling in Gundam series often get shot first.

I guess that's how they kept power by shutting down anything that might go against them as soon as they discover it.

Yeah I feel he's pulling an Itachi on js

Previous series got their WTF moments, but then again he is probably to obvious. Changing your own rules like a kiddo who is losing a game, surrounded by greedy parrasitic members. This whole structure will go down with a bang at the end, calling it now.

Ayy bro, could you tell me the order to watch mobile suit gundam? There is 00, SEED, Iron blooded orphans and the movies as well (If you know the movies). And I dunno what to start with. I wanna catch with with the gundam franchise. All the orders online seemed compilated and different. A reply would be appreciated.

You can quite literally start with any series. With very few exceptions, all Gundam series have self-contained storylines, and can be watched without additional context. There are series that share a timeline, namely the Universal Century (UC) timeline, but even the series belonging in this category can be watched independently without need to worry about watch order for the most part (each series has a completely different cast and its own separate story). None of the ones you mentioned, Seed, OO or IBO belong to the UC timeline, however, so watch order is even less relevant in regards to those. Just pick whichever series looks appealing to you and start from there!

I'm going to have to disagree with your “you can literally start with any series…. Gundam series have self-contained storylines” statement. To understand Universal Century (UC) you do not have to watch them by release date but you at least need to know when they take place in the chronology. So there IS a watch order to the Universal Century. Examples: you can’t watch Hathaway without watching Char’s Counter Attack first, but you can watch The Origin before or after Mobile Suit Gundam (The original series or 0079 some call it). Zeta Gundam leads right in to Gundam ZZ. Narrative makes no sense without watching Unicorn. Then some of the series have a movie & series/OVA version. Mobile Suit Gundam is a 43 episode series, but has a condensed 3 movie version as well. Series like Thunderbolt, 0080, & MS IGLOO are side stories that take place during the original Gundam. Also Bandai/Sunrise has started that whole Gundam NEXT 100 initiative, which is a soft retcon of some story elements. Which has just made me realize I’ve been watching Gundam for nearly 30 years :sad:

Universal Century in univers order (with notations) ….
Gundam: the Origin (6 movies)
Mobile Suit Gundam (43 episode series. GOGO has the Toonami version which is known for the memes)
Cucuruz Doan Island (2022 movie of the lost 15th episode of original Gundam)
The 08th MS Team (Side story. Watch the OVA & not Millers Report movie)
MS IGLOO (Side story. Relatively hard to find)
0080: War in the Pocket (Side story)
Thunderbolt (Side story. Watch the movies December Sky, then Bandit Flower. Do not watch the ONA)
0083: Stardust Memory (Side story. Watch the OVA, not the movie)
Zeta Gundam (Series, not the movie as the ending changes for a character)
Gundam ZZ (series)
Char’s Counterattack (movie)
Unicorn (OVA)
Narrative NT (movie)
Twilight Axis (watch the compilation movie, not the ONA)
Hathaway (movie)
—At this point you are still in the UC but so far in the future none of the previous works are referenced—
F91 (movie)
G-Saviour (live action movie…. it’s actually canon, but no one acknowledges it)
Victory (series)
Turn A Gundam (series)

Anything that is not Universal Century (Gundam Wing, Iron-Blooded Orphan, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, Gundam 00) can be watched in any order as those are self contained & do no reference another series.

Alternative Timeline by release date….
-Mobile Fighter G Gundam (1994) (The most follow the shounen script of the franchise. You could genuinely watch epsiodes 1 & 2, then skip to episode 15)
-Gundam Wing (1995) Gundam Wing:Endless Waltz (1997)
-After War X (1996)
-Gundam SEED (2002) Gundam SEED:Destiny (2004) Gundam SEED:Stargazer (2006)
-Gundam 00 (2007) Gundam 00:Awakening the Starblazer (2010)
-Gundam AGE (2011)
-Reconguista in G (2014)
-Iron-Blooded Orphans (2015)

& let’s not get started on SD Gundam or any of the Build Fighters series.

Best advice right here.

I like the UC timeline for the deep timeline and overlap of multiple shows, followed by Cosmic timeline, Because cosmic has waifus like Lacus. Iron Blood was great because we finally see conventional physical weapons vs beam weapons. Dying to a beam weapon was painless, getting crushed or pierced by a piece of metal is rough. I will post a timeline below for anyone interested in what order to watch for UC.

Universal Century, often abbreviated as "UC", is the English name for the original timeline of the Gundam metaseries. Its Japanese name is "Uchuu Seiki", meaning "Space Era". The Universal Century remains by far the most developed timeline with the largest number of works. Note that the following list consists only of animated and live action works.

UC0068 - UC0079 - Mobile Suit Gundam The Origin (2015-2018) [OVA] / Advent of the Red Comet (2019) [Compilation TV Series];
UC0079 - Mobile Suit Gundam (1979-1980) [TV Series] / The Movie (1981), Soldiers of Sorrow (1982), Encounters in Space (1982) [Compilation Movies];
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team (1996-1999) [OVA] / Miller's Report (1998) [Compilation Movie];
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: The Hidden One Year War (2004) [OVA];
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: Apocalypse 0079 (2006) [OVA];
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front (2008) [OVA];
Gundam Crisis (2007) [Amusement Park Ride];
Gundam the Ride: A Baoa Qu (2000) [Amusement Park Ride];
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket (1989) [OVA];
Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt (2015-2017) [ONA] / December Sky (2016), Bandit Flower (2017) [Compilation Movies];
UC0083 - Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (1991-1992) [OVA] / The Afterglow of Zeon (1992) [Compilation Movie];
UC0087 - Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (1985-1986) [TV Series] / Heir to the Stars (2005), Lovers (2005), Love Is the Pulse of the Stars (2006) [Compilation Movies];
Gundam Neo Experience 0087: Green Divers (2001) [Special Format CGI Short Film];
UC0088 - Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (1986-1987) [TV Series];
UC0093 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (1988) [Animated Movie];
UC0096 - Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn (2010-2014) [OVA] / RE:0096 (2016) [Compilation TV Series];
Mobile Suit Gundam: Twilight Axis (2017) [ONA] / Red Trace (2017) [Compilation Movie];
UC0097 - Mobile Suit Gundam Narrative (2018) [Animated Movie];
UC0105 - Mobile Suit Gundam Hathaway (2020) [Animated Movie];
UC0123 - Mobile Suit Gundam F91 (1991) [Animated Movie];
UC0153 - Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (1993-1994) [TV Series];
UC0223 - G-Saviour (2000) [Live Action TV Movie].

Yes there is a lot of series that are continuations in Gundam universe, but there is Stand-alone series with have their own Universe.

This one: With from Mercury you only need to watch the prologue, you can also jump straight in Gundam 00, Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans as they are also stand alone series.

I'd say start with whatever holds your interest since only like half of the franchise is really connected in one century and sometimes reference each other. 00, SEED, and IBO don't need any of the other shows if you wanna watch them though.

Here imma give you the shortest break down since half of these people here are trying to be right rather than being helpful:

if you want to start and finish a series, don't start with the main time line: UC(universal century). It's too damn long. Instead start with a spin off series like 00, IBO, wing, or this one. They are all spin off in a different world for themselves. 00, or iron blooded orphans are great place to start.

If you don't mind jumping into it (which isn't a problem at all based on my experience with my friends), you can pick a series from UC and just start it and figure out the timeline as you pick up the series from time to time. In which, unicorn gundam or thunder bolt are pretty recent and popular series to get into.

Wing is also an option unless you're not a fan of 90's artwork. Wing Zero Custom is still one of the most beautifully designed Gundams, though only appearing in the movie. But yeah, if you're having trouble picking one to start, I suggest reading each synopsis and see which interests you more.

00, seed and IBO can just go watch it.

I kind of understand why he wanted gundams off table because he exmilitary ptsd but honestly I don't think he really cares about daughter and more about his status